No'Kaled, the Elements of Death

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Comment by 869767

This one has a pretty high Ilevel, is it correct?

Comment by Ashvael

What does it proc of?

It does not proc of special abilities done with the other equipped weapon (e.g. Shiv for Rogues).
It does not proc of Main Gauche (Combat Rogue Mastery).
It does not proc of auto-attacks of the other equipped weapon (off-hand in the case of rogues).

It only procs of its own auto-attacks and special abilities done with this weapon.

Information about the proc

The proc chance is estimated at 6.5%.
The proc chance is 33% for the Shadow/Fire/Frost variations.
The proc can crit at 150% damage.
The Fire and Frost variatons scale with Enhancement Shaman's mastery.
All procs scale with Combat Rogue's Bandit's Guile.

Comment by Forrtress

I'm an Enh Shaman, and all I can say is...

HE-HE-HELLO! BOING!

Comment by 903691

now i wish instead of shadow damage it was: frost, fire, and nature damage, just so it would benefit enhancement shamans and combat rogues further

Comment by Angronus

I would be very surprised if this isn't BiS for Frost DK's as well. Maxdps lists the tank healing 1h as bis and this isn't even on the list for dk's which it lists the other AGI 1h's dunno why they didn't run this one.

Even without the proc having a 33% to get amp'ed as frost dmg. I'd think it has to make up the str loss over the damage the 1.7% hp hit does from the tank 1h. Plus if it's dual wielded Threat of Thassarian talent makes pretty much all their strikes hit with both weapons giving it two chances to proc on strikes.

I dunno maybe I'm crazy, but I think a lot of shamans are going to get annoyed at DK's rolling on this. But I'm pretty sure it's BiS for them as well.

Comment by 922958

Proc Info:

290 melee swings
10:00 minutes

Total Procs: 16
Fireblast Procs: 5
Iceblast Procs: 5
Shadowblast Procs: 6
PPM:1.6

Total Proc Dmg: 167,000
Avg Dmg Per Proc: 12,400 (Fireblast), 10,515 (Iceblast), 7574 (Shadowblast), 10,000 (all types)

Stats:
Class: Shaman
weapon ilvl: 390 (LFR)
mastery:14.52
crit%: 26.12
Agi:5227
Gear: S11 Ruthless set
Notes: no totems, no shaman weapon enchants, no raid buffs, enchanted with landslide.

Let me know if you would like me to run a test with shaman wep enchants and totems.

Enhance for life <3

Comment by tjlee

@ Ciaossu. It's not that I think you are crazy, but I don't think you have any idea what BiS means. It's not about what other weapons are available, it's about what does the most DPS, hence BiS. Souldrinker may provide more STR, which translates into 220 more AP than No'Kaled, the Elements of Death . However, the damage based off of No'Kaled, the Elements of Death outweighs the extra AP and proc damage off of Souldrinker . Downrate if you like, but it's BiS for more than just shammies and rogues.

Edit 12/17

For SMF warriors, procs scale with Death Wish and Enrage. Souldrinker procs do not scale and are the set proc indicated on weapon.

Edit 01/06

In response to Thehuntard, you are right in the fact that Souldrinker provides more STR, which provides more AP. What you are forgetting is that AGI provides 1AP per point. So, the gain is not as much as you say. Secondly, the reason why it is BiS is the higher weapon damage, the fact the proc scales and provides a higher percentage of damage than the gain in AP and Crit/Mastery/Hit from Hand of Morchok and better than the extra AP and Proc off of Souldrinker . So, again, if you don't like the fact that this weapon provides higher dps than other options for the level (Heroic Hand of Morchok>No'kaled>Normal Hand of Morchok>Souldrinker) then that's fine. But back up statements on overall dps by looking at the whole picture, use of simcraft/rawr/landsoul's spreadsheet. Even go to Askmrrobot.com, shows as BiS. I'm not just making assumptions, I'm stating what I can prove. As you forgot that AGI does provide AP to us, and that AGI receives all but 5% buff from armor specialization, you forget the fact that AGI provides crit as well, which is best secondary stats. Please don't forget that in simulations as well. Thanks again huntard.

Comment by 312381

The argument about it being a BiS item for strength classes is a bit silly because, guess who else it is BiS for....Enh Shaman and Combat Rogues...Giving priority on this to a DK/SMF Warrior over an Enh Shaman/Combat Rogue would be like giving priority to the latter two over the former on an item like Souldrinker. It may be an upgrade for what the Sham/Rogue currently have, but a DK/Warrior can get a lot more out of it.

I have no doubt that this is a very good weapon for DK/Warriors...it is no doubt much better for Rogue/Shaman classes so it should be given to those two before strength classes, however, I'm sure there are extenuating circumstances where it might be slightly better to give to a Warrior/DK. In general, agility weapons are for agility classes...they will get the most out of it in most cases.

Comment by goku33844

Anyone one else notice that the normal version benefits more from a stats and shaman mastery then the LFR and Heroic version.

Comment by bgwarrior

I got this on my enhance the first time i killed Deathwing and all i can say is OMFG THAT WEAPON IS DEFINATELY THE SHAMMY BIS ! The prock chance might not be that high but it is high enough to boost anyone's DPS by quite a lot.It does lack stats but that bonus evens out things and tbh i prefer a a prock bonus because Windfury is also a prock and it makes things more fun :P

Comment by 123462

Color Variations

LFR = Light Blue
Normal = Yellow
Heroic = Green

Comment by FyreNyte

I was wondering if this weapon would be better for a Combat Rogue's Main Hand instead of Fear mainly for the increased damage from Main Gauche and the further increased damage from Sinister Strike paired with Improved Sinister Strike, Aggression, and Lethality. The only thing I'm wondering is if Fear's bonus effect of +45% damage with Sinister Strike and Revealing Strike would make the dagger hit harder than No'Kaled just from the increased damage from the two abilities above, which are Combat's main combo builder attacks. The Off Hand would of course remain Vengeance. The 100 agility isn't really much to cause a drastic increase or decrease in damage, which I only found stayed at 50 stacks on Madness of Deathwing. Any help would be much appreciated. ^_^

Comment by 972969

I got 2 of this one today in DS10 (no one needed them)
and before i had Hand of morchok from ds 10 and Treachery's Bite
To my suprice i got like 3k more dps out of em!
Also i only gained the dps increase when i had both of em...
This is with no cooldown ability, just a steddy dps for like 10 min..

Im a frost dk 391ilvl

Comment by 999662

I've seen a lot of debate for this topic, but this is BiS for Death Knights, there is no question about it. It's almost a .5% dps increase over using soul drinker for both MasterFrost and HasteFrost.

simulationcraft(dot)org /430/DK_DW_Weapon_Comparison(dot)html

Please stop rating down posts that claim this is BiS, because it is.

Now should a DK get it over a rogue/shaman? I would debate no, but that's not my decision, this is for informational purposes only and if a raid leader wants to maximize his raids dps, he's going to want objective information.

Comment by 1041833

Daleks!

Comment by 571565

the proc scale with spell crit chance only, doing 150% dmg!