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Comment by 112171

My favorite seal so far, I have absolutely no downtime and no hassle killing multiple mobs with this + it's judgement + BoW. Yeah it takes a while to kill but, killing gets easier.

Comment by 137731

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell
Proc chance: 100%

Comment by Fonix

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/spell=20167 <-- this doesnt tell you much about the seal when its judged. how much will it be affected by your ap/sph ?

Comment by 193371

This spell is amazing at the level you get it at, and combined with seal of the crusader, it basicly renders you invincible when killing single mobs. I used to release judgment for it, and then activate seal of crusader so it can proc more often. It also makes mana efficiency great because now you dont have to worry about healing as much. Now the judgment has a different effect

Comment by Profits

Doesn't seem to be 100% chance, anymore.

Comment by dreadblood

im probably gonna be insulted, downrated and yelled at for saying this but this can help tanking, it heals you so it can help healers cus they wont have to cast as much, saving mana

EDIT: I see I was right ont eh downrating bit.. oh well I stand by my comment ^^

Comment by 53307

lv 80 paladin base mana = 4394
4% of it = 175.76

Comment by 311548

The only reason you'd want to have this buff enabled as a holy paladin is because of the new glyph - it's pretty much useless compared to the old Seal of Wisdom.

Comment by GryphonMD

Am I correct in assuming that our seals and judgements no longer grant healing or mana to the party, just to us? So other than being able to judge for a small (9%) haste buff, unless we melee or use the relevant glyph, it doesn't matter which seal we use now?

Interesting choice of something to nerf.

Comment by 109170

Now only gives 4% base mana when judgemented which isnt much

Comment by 356874

So, it would appear that weapon speed does not affect amount of healing. Doing a lot of at-level soloing of instances as Ret, and faster 2H weapon should generate more self-healing (at the cost of Seal of Righteousness damage).

Correct?

Comment by beowin

I have yet to get the 15% base mana restoration when casting the spell ... Blizzard and GM's have said this is a known bug. Any idea when this will be fixed?

Comment by Anaranjada

I use this seal when questing on my ret pally. (Obviously, I still seal Truth, or maybe Righteousness in instances.) The difference in the length of fights is minimal, and it significantly cuts down on downtime for healing/mana regen. If you find you're having a lot of downtime questing as ret, try switching to this seal for a bit and see if it helps.

Comment by 354696

Also with dummy testing i'm getting about 937 mana back when it procs (at level 85), which seems waaaay less than the every time you hit something it used to(See Seal of Wisdom that it replaced in that respect for healers) in WotLK for several thousand per proc with a smaller mana pool back then. Judging it nets me about 3513 now. Since both of our raid healing spells require you to be close to your targets you might think to still be able to sit in melee on bosses that dont move much, but don't expect to be able to heal with unlimited mana like the old days. The returns have been nerfed to the point where it's laughable. This is basically the best of a bunch of crummy seal options as a healer. If i judge it twice and get lucky on a couple procs it may be enough mana back to cover the cost of one large heal. whoo hoo.

Comment by 604878

The proc rate on the heal is 15ppm. This means that with a 2.6speed weapon it's heal proc is 65%, and with a 2.8 it procs 70% of the time. A 3.8second weapon will proc 95% of the time.

Haste and reckoning do not change the proc rate.

Edit: Proc rate increased 33% to make up for the recent bug fix with how this seal interacts with Hammer of the Righteous. This would make it a 20ppm seal and a 86.7% proc chance with a 2.6 speed weapon, and a 93.3% proc chance with a 2.8 speed weapon. Its 100% with any weapons with a speed of 3 or higher.

Comment by JonTargaryen

With the recent changes to threat, I wonder if this is the better seal for tanking.

Comment by 852431

I went and hit a target dummy (autoattack only) for roughly 10min. Sadly I was at full health and I found out only later that recount doesn't record overhealing, so here's what I did without real proc counts:
I had 133 normal melee swings and 10 crits, so a total of 143 swings.
I got 85k mana back and each proc gave me roughly 1k, so that's 85 procs.

That is 8.5 PPM and a proc chance of 60%. I had a 2.6 swing timer.
Obviously, in a real fight, you'd get much more procs, because of special attacks and ;
I did 580 hps on myself, only from that (I was tanking), on Coren Direbrew.

Comment by Strifecloud

On 4.3 PTR Patch note it is revealed that Seal of Insight, when Judged, no longer returns 15% base mana to the paladin. Judging Seal of Insight still causes damage, and melee attacks will still restore 4% of base mana.

Oh boy this one is gonna raise some controversy :P

Comment by Alquiora

I have a ret pally and sometimes I would use this seal especially against rogue 1-on-1. I must say that quite often rogues would get frustrated because of the healing procs. Combined with word of glory with 10 seconds cd, they would even leave me alone, looking for other target instead.

This is a very useful seal when your health is low or when you fight against a melee with higher dps than you. I think many ret pallies undermines the usefulness of this seal in PvP.

Comment by Yakeshi

I assume this DOESN'T stack with the Lifestealing enchant? (Legitamate question, please do not downrate)

Comment by 793466

When they nerfed Seal of Truth damage by 80% two days ago, I switched to Insight and since then I think I had the most fun tanking as a prot paladin ever.

Comment by LafinJack

This is pretty great for tanking. I've had a couple healers comment that that they barely need to heal me, even in heroics. No wonder, since I've got the Colossus proc shield going, along with the more consistent Sacred Shield, then Holy Prism healing me and those around me, and the Battle Healer glyph healing everyone, and then this on top of all that, I feel like a pretty damn solid tank - and no threat issues at all so far.

Comment by 743287

Was this nerfed, in the reset today? My paladin used to get healed for every mob my attacks hit (so AoE attacks like HotR worked well for soloing groups of NPCs), but today I'm only getting healed for the one mob I have targeted. Anyone else noticing this, or am I crazy?

Comment by Googolplex

Nerfed badly now, it wont keep you alive while soloing anymore :(

Comment by 825388

No longer procs from multiple targets, only once. Makes me wonder if it's bugged or intended because this is a huge @#$%ing nerf.

edit :

The area of effect component of Hammer of the Righteous will no longer activate Seal of Insight or Seal of Justice.

#$%^!

Comment by dlbert2000

I know that it was more than likely not intended to proc off of multiple HOTR hits, since it never has in the past. But man this nerf REALLY sucks after having it so long. There goes my amazing survivability against aoe packs as ret and prot. Now I get to use those pesky holy power on wogs, yay.

Comment by jophen

Does anyone know if using Judgment proc the mana return?

Comment by pauladin

Patch 5.4 (Siege of Orgrimmar):

Seal of Insight no longer has a chance to restore mana on attacks.

And, for protection paladins, Guarded by the Light now restores 15% of the Paladin's maximum mana every 2 seconds (up from 6%)

Comment by Eninia

New WoD Animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cLydv3qw-Q

Comment by Thottbot

If you want to mess with a horde char who is fighting a mob but you dont want to be a total a$$ and out right kill him you can judge this on him and then run off. Every time the mob hits him it gets a change to heal making the fight harder for the horde char.

Comment by Thottbot

I cannot get this on lvl 30?

Comment by Thottbot

i always cast this spell on bosses.. duel wielding warriors, rouges, druids and pets benefit alot with their fast attack speeds but thats about it i reckon...

Comment by Thottbot

One, it is great to use with druids and other fast classes, as someone else pointed out.

I duo'd with a buddy who is a feral druid of lower level... we had a great time taking on elites with this with me tanking them and him shred'n the mob.

Two, when sorrounded, put this blessing on, and it will give a lot more survivability -- put it on as a seal for yourself. All of their hits means that you get constant healings. You can be beating on someone, as well, with the judgement on and have the seal on yourself for double judgement.

Seal of the Crusader gives plus 40% speed, so this can help, but I find that just Seal of Command and this judge gives a lot more survivability when grinding. I do good damage this way, Seal of Command acts as a second hit for decent effective "speed" increase and the mob goes down -- which is another form of damge mitigation itself. This technique means far less heals which are your worse mana burners.

Generally, in grinding, I have found that Seal of Command judge whenever possible plus Seal of Command always on gives highest dps... I also found using improved seal of the crusader and this was not worth improved seal of the crusader over Deflection, but may respec again sometime down the road. That holy damage is hard to give up.

This is just a little boost, but if you time it right and use the right mobs it is just enough so that you almost never have downtime.

That is: seal of light + judge seal of light + seal of command + seal of command judge + seal of command is a very strong combination for grinding.

FYI, done a lot of studies with various DPS output using damage meters mod and generally Seal of Command is about 14% of total damage done whereas judgement of command is generally 20%. This ratio is in the 20s- to lower 30s, anyway and also means stunning whenever possible.

Usually, even, I can only do two judges of SoC per mob.

Usin Seal of Light as the first judge that brings up the dps percentage of SoC, but the dps remains about the same with the added survivability.

As this triggers on any damage, this stacks nicely with retribution aura. It also triggers on points from DoT affects.

Comment by Thottbot

This is a VERY good seal imo. I can take on more mobs than i can without it. For example, I got to Arathi highlands and got two level 34 raptors on me. Threw judgemnet of light and the the seal back on me. I was maintaining my health all the time. It was just when the third raptor came, i was loosing health. But that was soon no problem with a bubble and healm, and i got full health again.
Just judge the mob and take a new seal on you so you can get alot of healing, and you can manage even more mobs than 3.

Another thing. I was soloing in gnomeregan once. I got into fight with a trogg and came out of combat with more hp than I had when i entered. So using this seal while soloing is a very good choise.
Good luck to you paladins out there, and please use the seal- and judgement of light.

Over and out/ Johii

Comment by Thottbot

I put Blessing of Wisdom on myself, did Seal of Light/Judgement of Light on the mob, then used Seal of Light again, and farmed for about an hour and a half non-stop without going below 90% health or mana.

Then I dueled my friend who is a feral druid and lost a total of 200 health while I just whacked him normally. You just... you CAN'T die with this seal. It's ridiculous.

At least at level 30 :P

Comment by Thottbot

use judgement of wisdom and seal of light restores mana and health :)oh u can also use it the other way around, judgement of light and seal of wisdom

Comment by Thottbot

Does Seal of Light add to the extra threat generated from Righteous Fury?

Comment by Thottbot

It is with this, protection talents, shield with mithril spike, ret aura, blessing of sanctuary, and conceration spam, along with a decent and preferably fast 1h wepon that i am able to take on 4 guys at the same time at lvl 34, only use 1 heal and end the battle at about 80% health and mana

infact i pretty much only take on guys 3-4 at a time now

basicly think of it this way - if a berserking fury spec warrior had this - the chances of him actually dieing would decrease by about 50% (im just makin up a #) same for rouge

but when you are a paladin with a shield, going one on one with an enemy that deals 28dmg per swing every 2sec to you and you deal around 45dmg with your 1.80 AND have a (id say 50% chance) of healing 39on hit AND can judgement this on the enemy then seal of light again for having a chance of healing 39 on hit and a chance of healing 25 on hit ..... Well..... id be supprised if they got you down to 94% health

Seal of light FTW
Judgement of light FTW
Protection talents FTW

Comment by Thottbot

Does it? or should i use seal of light + judgement and seal of wisdom?

Comment by Thottbot

My palla is 33 atm, and Im usually taking out 4-6 mobs at the time at Dabyrie's Farmstead in Arathi Highlands. The place is only for hordes but highly recommended. Most of the mobs flee and therefore will be able to pull more, but I think of that as a bonus. There are no ranged or spellcasters there, so this place is superb for grinding prot pallas :)

Comment by Thottbot

I've got jewelry that adds +6-20 HP to healing spells and EFFECTS. Why don't they work with this seal? Technically it is a healing effect, so they should increase the healing.. but so far they haven't.

Comment by Thottbot

There's something i don't get about what you're saying here or i just don't understand this seal.
From what i get, you just receive HP points if YOU hit the mob (not if he's hitting you) and if you judge him with it then it basically the thing but for when you're in a party so other can get the same effect. From what you wrote here it seems that you're getting hp points from hits on you. So what's the deal here?

Comment by Thottbot

if you judge an enemy, every time ANY person hits the enemy, they have a chance to recover HP. Now picture this: 5 pallys with seal of light judgement on an enemy, and seal of light on themselves, whenever any person hits the enemy, they have a chance to recover 125hp, and the pallys have a chance to recover 154hp, with each hit. If you have this in a raid, with a rogue with an attack speed of less than 1second, the rogue is going to be nearly impossible to kill. And thats without any bonus healing.

Comment by Thottbot

this seal is absolutely godly for prot. pally AOE grinding once you get reckoning. use the seal+judge+seal again and have about 4 mobs on you. that gives a 40% chance for reckoning to proc (when filled with talent points), meaning that you can get healed 1x for your normal hit on the mob with the seal, 1 for your normal hit with the judgment, and then 1 more each for the reckoning hits with judge/seal. getting healed 4x is amazing, and your dps wont be too horrible with reckoning up.

Comment by Thottbot

Retribution Aura - So all mobs are taking damage each time they hit you.

Blessing of Sanctuary - Damage reduction, and causes damage when you block a blow.

Shield with Shield Spike - More damage when you block a blow

Holy Shield when you get redoubt - pumps your block to right at 2/3, and adds huge damage to each blow blocked

Crystal Spire (blue&yellow; power crystals at Ungoro's Eastern Pylon) Gives me an extra 12 points of damage to everyone hitting me.

When I use holy shield to block a blow, my level 56 Paladin does 180-184 points of damage.

Seal of light, Judged on the target I'm hitting, and active on me heals me twice. 3-5 mobs helps my reckoning stay on, allowing me to spend a great deal of time double swinging. When I finish off my first mob, the 2nd is at 2/3 health. When I finish off the second, the 3rd is at 1/3 health. When I finish off him, the others take a swing or 2 each. Consecration helps to take on more than 5. I often try to take on 6-8. I use more mana pots than most, because I don't use seal/judgement of mana unless I'm fighting 3 or less.

If my health is dipping low, and I'm alone, I use Divine shield, and cast a healing spell. If I'm with someone, that would cause me to loose aggro, so I use a Crystal Restore (Yellow&Green; power crystals at Ungoro's Northern Pylon) for 670HP over 15 seconds, or I just drink a Healing Potion.

My paladin hasn't died in weeks.

Comment by Thottbot

IF YOU JUST HAVE IT ON, meaning you didn't judge anyone---
when the opponent attacks you do you get heals meaning.
You pull 3 mobs each attack that damages you heals you? Or each attack you do to them heals you?

Comment by Thottbot

Well, talking form the point of view of a prot pally, (couldn't care less about the others).

Simple rules for grinding are :

1) Fast weapon ideally 2secs or less swing speed.*
2) Seal and judge of light. Swapping to wisdom pending on your mana.
3) lots and lots of melee mobs, forget 1 on 1 and using your aoe' instead charge off after 3 or 4 mobs and pull them to you and with retribution aura on, fire ur aoe, then seal and judge light combined with your lvl 30 sanctaury blessing, enjoy aoe tanking.

People complain about the mana loss about 1 on 1 fights and yes there is no point in it for a prot pally, instead as above get a crowd and when one runs off ignore it, just carry of battering, with any luck the one that ran off will return with friends.

The only weakness to this is having a caster attacking you as it means your not blocking their attacks and they're therefore not taking damage from your aura / blessings, so if you attract one best%

Comment by Thottbot

^^ typed a load more but thott bugged, erm for more on pally aoe grinding read other forums regarding it.

Comment by Thottbot

I use this in Bg's. when I use this everyone who is melee starts attacking the person I judged to get heals and then I drop them using CS. using this we kill him in about 5 sec the bastard dosent know what hits them oh wait yes they do JoL biaaaatch

Comment by Thottbot

This is a must for all aoe paladins.

People say you shouldnt start before at least lvl 30-35, but I started at lvl 15+, with my druid friend. When he logs off, I log off, and so on. He gives me the Thorns buff, he gives me HoTs, and my retribution aura and iron shield spike (cheap, ye) does the rest. At lvl 18, we took out up to 6-7 murlocs in Redridge, all level 17-20, at the same time. No casters though, all melee. It really works :D

Comment by Thottbot

I'm currently leveling my second pally (ally, first was horde) and I have to say I'm missing this so much...counting down the levels until I get it and Blessing of sanctuary.

People always tell me that lvling a pally is slow...Ive found it rather the opposite.

Ret aura, BoS, Seal of light, judgment of wisdom. Pull somewhere between 4 and 12 mobs and consecrate them down. It amazing how fast you can get quests done this way.
BoS of course gets better with holy sheild...non-stop mana.

Gets even better when you get Avengers shield and hammer of righteous.

Back to pally...1 lvl left...

Comment by Allakhazam

Gimme your fastest weapon, judge the seal, then crusader. who needs to waste time casting hah.
Well, don't know how well that would do solo but judging this might be nice for dualing warrior tanks or those rogues that grab a little too much threat from a tank.

Comment by Allakhazam

I've noticed that palidins are certinly better with a one handed weapon and a sheild then a two-handed weapon.

Since seals tend to do damage, heal heath, every hit the more hits you can get in the more extra health will be healed.

Comment by WhipBibbler

Does +healing gear stack with this in tbcc?

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Seal of Insight

Seal of Insight
16.4% of base mana
Instant

Fills you with Holy Light, increasing your casting speed by 10%, improving healing spells by 5% and giving melee attacks a chance to heal [Glyph of the Battle Healer: the most wounded member of your party or raid / you] for [Holy Insight: [(0.15 * Attack power + 0.15 * Spell power) * 1.25] / (0.15 * Attack power + 0.15 * Spell power)].

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Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

16.4% of base mana

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1 second

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell
Value: 15
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Seal of Insight

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Value: 5%
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

Lay on Hands	Flash of Light	Word of Glory
Word of Glory	Word of Glory	Eternal Flame
Holy Light	Divine Light	Holy Radiance
Light of Dawn

Effect #3

Apply Aura: Mod Spell Haste %
Value: 10%
PVP Multiplier: 1

Effect #4

Apply Aura: Modifies Periodic Damage/Healing Done (22)
Value: 5%
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

	Eternal Flame

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