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Comment by 188466

I was wondering if this seal affected rogues from using sprint. If not, it would be really usefull for pvp other than stopping the fear effect.

Comment by makator

Wait With ne seal judgement system will "prevent from fleeing" effect be gone?

Comment by Tro44

This the cat page? where the discussion on the new change? lol
PS: how is the damage of the new seal of justice compared to other ret seals?

Comment by Innuendo

The current effect intended in Cataclysm on WoWHead as of today states that each attack while Seal of Justice is active will limit the target's movement speed (the old Judgement of Justice's effect), and also cause Holy damage. Judging this seal will simply cause additional Holy Damage. SoC is being removed so this will be the go-to Seal of PvP Ret.

Comment by BloodyIron

Anyone know how much this limits the run speed by?

Also, does this effect those who are mounted too? The phrasing suggests otherwise... :/

Comment by BloodyIron

By the way Seal of Justice (this spell) slows the Val'kyrs in the Lich King fight.

Comment by KahnOWhoopass

Does this register as "not a movement impairing effect"?

Comment by Coldbear

Now with NEW & IMPROVED double-talking jive speak in 4.0.6!

Druid
The act of shapeshifting now frees the caster of "movement slowing effects" instead of "Movement Impairing effects".

...except any movement slowing effects which ...don't "count" as

movement slowing effects

Semantics aside, ret paladins need a way to get in range to use their abilities or pvp gets a little fubar'd. But they could actually mention something about this in the various tooltips.

Kinda the same thing as the old Lifebloom heals when dispelled - except when it's "removed" by DK Plague Strike which didn't (doesn't? - sorry, I haven't played in a while) "count" as a "dispell."

Regarding people learning and you laughing - after so many years of shifting out of roots and snares and not meeting many ret paladins it becomes a bit of a reflex action to shift when you start getting slowed debuffs. Half the time you can't even tell which one of fifteen enemies put what slowing debuff on you.

Here's a laugh:
"The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of movement slowing effects but not speed limiting effects."

That might actually be an accurate tooltip! Yay me!

Comment by Viprime

Great for slowing demolishers in Strand of the Ancients.

Comment by Ronark

Unlike Seal of Truth, using Justice causes Exorcism and Judgement to not proc Seals of Command.

The Slowing effect only applies on Melee, CS, TV, and ShoR hits-- It does not apply on Judgements.

Comment by 620131

Come Mists of Pandaria, Seal of Justice will cause melee attacks to deal additional holy damage and also reduce movement speed by 50% for 5 seconds.

Comment by Superchief

I'm not totally understanding the affect here. Does this affect +runspeed talents? Or does this only affect the +runspeed boots enchant? Cuz if all this is doing is negating the runspeed enchant then this is just broken as hell.

I'm using it in battlegrounds, but it feels like nothing is happening while an enemy has the debuff. I would rather just stick with Seal of Righteousness and global non-resilience targets, and Seal of Truth for resilience targets. What is this supposed to do, prevent me from being kited? The frost mages and sub rogues are still giggling and Cannibalizeing my tender ret pally.

Comment by Thottbot

it would work great but the downside is that the mob gets immune to stun after 3-4 hits so its pretty useless.

Comment by Thottbot

Like Bobucles2 said, it only works 5 times a minute

Comment by Thottbot

I believe that the +67% chance to stun increases the base chance to stun by 67% of its original value. If the base chance to stun is 10% without the talent, it will be 16.7% with the talent.

Comment by Thottbot

I've been looking into what other players had to say about the mechanics and the effects of deminsihing returns (resuting in the target becoming immune after three hits and reducing the stun time to 50% and then 25%), and yeah, they suck, but supposedly after a 15 sec countdown from the first stun, the target is no longer immune, and is reset to 50% effectiveness (u have to wait a full minute to regain full use of the stun). As for the proc rate, it is also proc per minute, so the "proc per swing" ratio for SoJ increases if u use a slower weapon, just like SoC.

Comment by Thottbot

The stun is great but what about fleeing?

I use this all the time to stop Mobs from
running, but does this do anything in PvP?

Comment by Thottbot

From the new 1.9 patch
"The stun effect's duration no longer diminishes or is diminished by controlled stun abilities and spells (e.g. Cheap Shot, Hammer of Justice, Charge, etc).
So no more immune. This should help vs spellcasters :)

Comment by Thottbot

as far as i been in instances (lvl 40 atm :P..) it is best party saver spell.. just judge it on mob and he will not flee! it helps like hell in SM where is not much space, lots of mobs.

Comment by Thottbot

what does seal of justice's judgement do in pvp?

Comment by Thottbot

I don't see the talent that makes the stun % higher....Where is it?

Comment by Thottbot

make a macro where seal command and judgement is instantly cast together (in that order)

then cast seal of justice. when it procs, quickly cast the macro.

works like a charm

Comment by Thottbot

Are you people bat#$%^ crazy or just misinformed? Since when have paladins been able to use daggers, and since when have paladins been able to duel wield? Im sure it WOULD be cool on a rogue, but this is a pally skill, so why are you talking about these things>

Comment by Thottbot

So if you use Judgement when you use this seal, does this mean that can't move?

Comment by Thottbot

The judgement stops the mob from fleeing, or as a few have said make them immune to fear (some mobs flee when low on hp coz they are scared =P)....has nothing to do with restricting movement, the mob just keeps fighting til its dead.

Comment by Thottbot

this is a way for pallidans to catch up to others

Comment by Thottbot

from what I understand, the pvp effect only happens at rank 2, correct me if I'm wrong

Comment by Thottbot

The limit to 100% speed effect is only at rank 2. In pvp at rank 1, all it will do is make that person own your teams locks if he survives.

Comment by Thottbot

I have one thing to say.

There is no honor in playing a MMORPG!

Camping is for lamers and should only be done in extreme cases, not on a bunch of 40's.

Comment by Thottbot

What if u walk 50% (press /) and cast this on a FC. Will he be moving with 50% aswell? :)

Comment by Thottbot

As someone said, only rank 2 slows people down.
At level 39, you only have rank 1.

Comment by Thottbot

hawhahahah this spell is so great love throwing it on druids and see them shapeshift in and out of travel form to get rid of it while they cant HAHA!

So funny. They must be like ? WTF??

Comment by Thottbot

i used it on a rogue and he sprinted, and nothing happened, he didnt slow down or anything. Why?

Comment by KingMurloc

Seal of Justice has 5 PPM (Procs Per Minute).
To calculate the odds of the Justice Stun for each event divide your base melee speed by 12.
It does not seem to have an internal cooldown, so it is possible to overlap the stuns.
It can proc from spells and melee abilities or (melee) special effects such as Crusader Strike and Vindication.
Seal of Justice stun is on separate Diminishing Return category (random stuns). Each time after the stun expire server start a timer of 15-20 seconds; during which each further application of the stuns from the same category would be 50% shorter than a previous one; completely immune after the 3rd one.
Extremely useful in PvP. Even if the seal has 50% less duration than warrior Mace stun, it has multiple times it's chance to proc. Can use it to shut down the casters. Together with 2-handed weapon (3.6+) AND Vindication (3PPM) you will enjoy up to 42.6%+ net chance to stun per hit/abillity and can easily follow it with a full duration Hammer of Justice.
In Classic and tBC classic official servers it is possible to perform a twist with this seal together with Seal of Command to have both seal effects for the same short (0.5 seconds) time. It will allow the seal either be used it in tandem with melee swing to increase the odds of the stun and the damage involved to maybe completely stunlock your oppenned with follow-up actions OR together with Judgement of Command (Vindication proc) which will grant you pretty small chance to stun your target within Judgement range which is unreliable but possible.

Comment by KingMurloc

Comment by Etreum

I've learned to love this vs humanoids (Murlocs, etc.)

Seal of judgement, I keep as long as possible for the stuns (Works great vs casters) and when they are running low on health, judge, so they won't run away.

Definitely worth the relative loss of dps.

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Seal of Justice

Seal of Justice
16.4% of base mana
Instant

Fills you with Holy Light, causing melee attacks to deal 20% additional Holy damage and reduce the target's movement speed by 50% for 8 sec.

(100ms cooldown)

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n/a

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

16.4% of base mana

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1 second

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell
Value: 25
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Seal of Justice

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 20183
PVP Multiplier: 1
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