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Comment by 665258

Sockets removed, and a proc has been added in comparison with CATA versions.

Comment by 163020

This will be probably BiS for various classes for the first Tier.

Comment by Adversus

This should have a stamina bonus on the proc, given that the strength bonus is arguable for tanks. I really hate it that Blizzard shoehorns roles into specific professions like they do now.

Comment by AngelsCandy

I was wondering how often the trinket will proc. our highest stat (intel. for instance). It states that it " When you heal or deal damage you have a chance to increase your Strength, Agility, or Intellect by 4561 for 15 sec." But, how often will it actually proc? If it isn't very often, then it would be really nice if you could put a meta socket onto the trinket so that the different classes that may have alchemy have the ability to add a beneficial gem that will supply a constant stat for them. I'm super excited to see this trinket in the new expansion, I've been waiting a long time for an upgraded trinket for us alchemist. :) Thank you for any info that you are able to provide.

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Comment by Key0na

On beta, you needed 3 Golden Lotus to create your trinket, along with this quest item, which is a random drop. I got mine off of a boss in a regular mode dungeon. They may decide to change it in the future, but for now, happy farming!

Comment by aggixx

With a confirmed 55 second internal cooldown, this trinket will be a very very strong pre-raid trinket for damage dealing classes.

Sims are showing that this trinket is neck and neck with the next best pre-raid trinket for feral druids (Searing Words), and significantly ahead of any alternatives.

Comment by 78194

Without a Spirit/Dodge Proc, this will only be a DPS trinket. Shame that Blizzard is once again starting the expansion an alchemist stone only useful for a couple of Classes.

In Cata it only launched with the Lifebound Alchemist Stone, and later added the Volatile Alchemist Stone, Quicksilver Alchemist Stone and Vibrant Alchemist Stone

In TBC the expansion launched with only the Alchemist Stone and then later added the Assassin's Alchemist Stone, Redeemer's Alchemist Stone, Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone and Guardian's Alchemist Stone

TLDR; Hopefully Blizzard adds a spirit/dodge proc for healers/tanks.

Comment by Zorben

Anybody know the buff (name or id) applied by the proc?

Comment by jkurkul

Quest for mine dropped today after an hour of questing off a trash mob. Have a feeling it will work like the JC quests that dropped in Uldum, I don't expect alchemists to have to spend days farming it. Just don't lose it, because like JC ones, you probably won't get it again.

Comment by Kailap

So i had this trinket and it wont procs for me as a rogue. I tried it on a dummy for like 5min and no single buff. Anyone has an idea?

Comment by 969934

I created this item on my Shaman shortly after launch. I haven't calculated the proc times, but I know its often. After equipping this item, my heals and dps output improved immensely. Only downfall is the Golden Lotus - Uther is running 2500 per (if not herb). More to come.

Comment by 1037618

Contrary to what NathanBrazil said, this DOES consume the lotuses used. Just made it on my shaman tonight and watched them drop from 6 to 3.

Comment by 894407

The trinket procced outside of battle from my Mend Pet... can't say I'm overly fond of that happening.

Comment by archonoid

Small note for Druids who get benefit from their main stats for their current forms.

As balance druid myself when trinket procs, that total intellect gain also added to agility when I shapeshift to cat or bear form, thanks to Killer Instinct. It also works with resto spec.

I didn't tested it with guardian and feral specs thou but their spell power also increased due to agility buff, thanks to Nurturing Instinct.

Alchemist druids becomes better druids with this trinket.

Comment by xstaindx

Has the same spell effect of Darkmoon Card: Greatness the original! :D

Comment by BirdKiller

With an internal cooldown of 55 seconds and its proc lasting for 15 seconds, the proc is equivalent to having a maximum of:

4561 * (15/55) = 1243 Int/Agility/Strength

For warlocks at least, this is possibly the BiS Pre-Raid Trinket considering Mastery is the best or the 2nd best stat.

Comment by GrommarErrantes

The buff may seem next to useless, but it's GREAT combined with the Alchemist Rejuvenation potions. It's a REAL lifesaver, and the reagents for the potions are abundantly available.

Comment by kragragh

This thing procs for me all the time. Sometimes I'm not even sure from what. Not sure if I'm paying attention to everything, but sometimes it seems to proc while I'm just walking around. Might be a rogue buff or something that's triggering it.

Comment by 172135

But is it any good? My spell power drops drastically if i wear this.

Comment by QuickBASIC

Note for spellcasting/melee hybrids that aren't Druids: remember that Expertise Rating = Hit Rating for the purpose of Spellcasting, so if you happen to be an Elemental/Enhance shaman, you can reforge this to Expertise and use it for both gear sets.

(Guardian/Feral)/(Boomkin/Resto) are limited to reforging this to something like crit if they don't want Mastery. (As spirit/hit, etc wouldn't be as useful to Guardians)

Comment by 37419

~~Proc'ing the buff seems to remove Stealth. Can anyone confirm this?~~

Edit: Seems to be fixed.

Comment by Fila

I assume we need this stone to get any procs on Mist level transmutes. I leveled my Alchemy to 600 without leaving Stormwind and when I hit the Jade Forest I had this quest drop in the first 15 mins I was in the zone. Being a Herbalist I figured I would just pick up the Golden Lotus's as I leveled, only found 1 so far but I am only lvl 86 and still in the Forest. I just did my 9th Living Steel and have not had a proc yet and it just dawned on me I probably need the Zen Alchemist Stone to get a proc. Can anyone confirm this?

Comment by 153135

Don't vendor this item when you stop using it.... I vendored and so the quest starter item keeps dropping every 2 mins. Just dump it in the bank to avoid this annoyance. I ended up using 3 golden lotus to make it again just to avoid it.

Comment by BigRed

Is it possible that this trinket is a bit over-budgeted? Looking at the amount of agility, the proc chance and internal CD, it seems to be only marginally worse than Bottle of Infinite Stars even though it's two tiers below.

Comment by 91493

As a note for holy and ret paladins, this trinket will proc off of the heal over time effect applied from our Eternal Flame talent ability, not just when initially casting the spell.

Comment by 314557

This has been buffed with patch 5.1 to be ilvl 458. Old stats at ilvl 450 were: 751 mastery, 4041 int/str/agi proc.

Now it's quite competitive with even heroic level trinkets. For example from a balance druid perspective using Graylo's stat weights:

Zen Alchemist Stone (upgraded, reforge mastery -> crit): 523*0.4 + 348*0.46 + 4913*0.25 = 1597.53
Blossom of Pure Snow (double upgraded): 1162 + 3872*0.25*0.46 = 1607.28
Light of the Cosmos (as is, reforge haste -> crit): 487*0.46 + 731*0.4 + 3653*0.3 = 1612.32 (assuming worst case 30% uptime)

Comment by Mookosh

As of 5.1 this is now ilevel 458 and can be upgraded for 1500 JP to the following stats

Item Level 466
Upgrade Level 1/1
+871 Mastery (4.86 @ L85)
Equip: When you heal or deal damage you have a chance to increase your Strength, Agility, or Intellect by 4691 for 15 sec. Your highest stat is always chosen...

~~Alchemist Stone affect has also received an upgrade to 43%, up from 40%~~

The potion bonus was initially 43% on the upgrade at 5.1 release but was reverted to 40% later.

Comment by Lyzoldas

I'm trying to figure out how good it is compared to 476 trinkets for a warlock after it's been upgraded to 466. askmrrobot shows it as #8 BiS if I upgrade it, which seems farfetched to me. Though as an Affliction lock, mastery with an int proc is perfect... Lyzoldas of US-Stormreaver-Horde

Comment by WesW14

Just for clarity if anyone else was wondering what I was, the quest for this item does not reward a recipe to be learned in the alchemy tab as previous expansions' alchemist stones were able to be crafted repeatedly. I contacted a GM with this question and it was intended by Blizz to just provide the item and no recipe. Hope this helps anyone else wondering this.

Comment by 34517

Does it boost Potion of Focus?

Comment by Aquifel

As of todays hotfix patch notes:

Players that have deleted their Zen Alchemist Stone can now obtain the Strange Spherical Stone to repeat the quest "Strange Spherical Stone" to earn a new one.

I personally would advise looking into Blizzard's item restoration service on their website first, but a nice alternative if its been a long time since you deleted yours.

Comment by 1063903

i know this can be upgraded for 1500 jp but can someone please tell me where to get it done?

Comment by 1064562

Currently as of 12/15/12 the bug seems to be fixed. I just had the quest item drop with my toon having the lvl 80 cata stone equiped.

Lvl 85 alch at 600.

Hope this helps.

Comment by Modibybob

So as of today, the proc from this trinket appears to not activate at all if the player is a rogue. I've been whacking at a dummy for 5 minutes and have not seen this proc once. The issue may have been fixed for other classes, but not the rogue apparently. Bug report submitted.

Comment by 1069372

Maxed out alchemy, herbalism was at 565, level 86. Could NOT get this puppy to drop despite grinding through Jade Forest! Thanks to a commenter above, I put my current stone in my bank -- didn't need to vendor it -- went back to the jade forest, got it in three kills. Hope this saves someone some time and pain! :)

Comment by Snoipah

Although when you upgrade it it doesn't say it upgrades the proc, it does.

Comment by mgg4wow

It may be obvious, but just to be explicit: The Zen Alchemist Stone does not have any effect on the healing or mana provided by Life Spirit and Water Spirit. Those items still provide only 120,000 health and 30,000 mana.

Comment by 1084340

So can anybody give step by step instructions on how to upgrade the stone? I've been looking and everyone says they have done it but not how......

Comment by cowhunter

was 575 alchemy and for whatever reason the quest item wasn't dropping for me. i had the previous stone in my bag. however, after i harvested a lotus node and got the lotus loot buff, first mob i killed dropped it. my previous stone was still in the bag.

as an enhance shaman, the proc is devastating and seems to stack with elemental blast buff. it procs pretty much every mob and my shammy is tearing through mobs before my 12 sec elemental blast cooldown is even ready. prior to this stone, a single mob would take me over 12 sec to kill (using an ilevel 450 mainhand/offhand).

Comment by 626865

Recipe now learned from alchemy trainer at 500 skill.

Comment by gbalkam

I searched out this thread, because it seems that the ilev of the item will not be high enough later. I think blizz should make an allowance for this. Perhaps a new upgrade mechanic that drops off random mobs in item level appropriate zones. Such as, at level 85, this recipe drops in Jade Forest, (where I got mine). Then later, it could drop from say Thunder Isles mobs, for item level 476 and perhaps higher from "elites" or "rares" in this zone.

An even simpler solution, would be to remove the "Equip" status on the healing bonus. So that because you are an alchemist, AND have to carry a stone for transmutes, you get the +40% as a profession bonus, even if the stone is not equipped. Keep the mastery and stat bonus as need to be equipped to benefit, but the bonus heals from the stone should actually be an alchemy profession bonus. IMO at least.

I mean, really, a jewel crafter doesn't need to equip a jewel crafting kit to keep the bonus gem cuts active, (such as the jc only gems), and a skinner doesn't have to equip a skinning knife to skin (yet they still also get +10 skinning from the skinning knife bonus)

I'm thinking ahead, when your item level affects the game content you can access. For example, some raids require item level 480 to enter. If you have item lev 479 with this stone equipped, well you are just SOL unless you take a higher level, but less useful trinket to pad your item level.

Comment by 610726

As a non-raiding 85, giving up Quicksilver Alchemist Stone with Delicate Inferno Ruby is very difficult, but just to show the difference, my Mastery went from 28% to 37%, and DPS in blah MoP greens went from 2500ish to 3300ish with the proc, don't remember the exact number. Procs about as often as any other trinket, so I can see using it on my hunter for a while, but eventually replacing it.

Comment by oscarucb

This crafted item is bind-on-pickup (BoP). This means you must learn the pattern and craft the item on the toon who wants to wear it.

The BoP Craft Confirm addon helps save you from accidentally crafting BoP items that you intend to trade or auction.

Comment by 877093

My guild is just starting to work through gold challenge modes (4 more to go!), and I wanted to point out that the stone does NOT have its proc diminished by the item reduction. I have it upgraded with JP to ilvl 466, and the proc is the same value in challenge mode as outside, which makes it a very strong choice.

Comment by Snoipah

Goes from orange to grey at 545 I think.

Comment by Whiterock

Buff ID:
60229 - Strength
60233 - Agility
60234 - Intellect

Comment by Octayvius

Do not let people lie to you. This trinket is pure !@#$ in challenge modes And even worse in Proving Grounds, it procs maybe once in 5 minutes.
I would suggest 2 trinkets.

Flashfrozen Resin Globule This trinket is great whenever you know you are gonna need to bust ass. It has a 25 second duration and it's something you can control. Highly recommended.

Light of the Cosmos This one also has a really long duration and a really low cool down. another very good trinket.

Comment by BananaStalker

Originally only obtained from the quest started by Strange Spherical Stone, but since 5.2 also taught by alchemist trainers.

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Zen Alchemist Stone

Item Level 458
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped: Alchemist Stone (1)

Trinket

+809 Mastery

Requires Level 85
Requires Alchemy (500)
Equip: When you heal or deal damage you have a chance to increase your Strength, Agility, or Intellect by 4353 for 15 sec. Your highest stat is always chosen. (Proc chance: 25%, 55s cooldown)
Equip: Increases the effect that healing and mana potions have on the wearer by 40%. This effect does not stack.
"Can be used for transmutations in place of a Philosopher's Stone."

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